[18:00] gsnedders: alright, let's get going
[18:00] gsnedders: start off by zoming out
[18:00] gsnedders: what do we know about a bug?
[18:00] Whackaxe: it pisses us off
[18:00] gsnedders: :D
[18:00] SimbaCub: indeed
[18:00] gsnedders: we know when it was submitted, we have a description of it
[18:00] Whackaxe: it pisses users off too
[18:00] gsnedders: we know whether it's open
[18:00] Skyzyx: something is wrong with the software that needs to be fixed
[18:01] Skyzyx: right, right, and right
[18:01] gsnedders: we know whether it's assigned to anyone
[18:01] Skyzyx: we know it's priority
[18:01] gsnedders: right.
[18:01] MenZa: and pong.
[18:01] Skyzyx: we know when we expect it will be fixed
[18:01] MenZa: Was out to dinner, sorry.
[18:01] gsnedders: Skyzyx: do we really need that data?
[18:02] gsnedders: Skyzyx: that's the sort of thing that could change anytime
[18:02] Skyzyx: for planning purposes.  it could also be left blank.
[18:02] Whackaxe: ETA for a fix is risky
[18:02] MenZa: "Estimated patch date"
[18:02] Skyzyx: are we talking about relatively static data?
[18:02] MenZa: I'd agree with Whackaxe.
[18:02] gsnedders: i agree with myself
[18:02] gsnedders: and therefore Whackaxe and MenZa
[18:02] Skyzyx: alright
[18:02] MenZa: lol
[18:03] MenZa: How about the ability of adding custom fields?
[18:03] gsnedders: alright, now we know that much, what might someone want to do with that bug?
[18:03] MenZa: Info fields.
[18:03] • MenZa clears desk--homework time
[18:03] Skyzyx: provide status updates on that bug
[18:03] Skyzyx: resolve the bug
[18:03] gsnedders: add a comment on how to fix it? try and find out what is causing it?
[18:03] gsnedders: add a patch?
[18:03] Skyzyx: yes, and yes
[18:03] gsnedders: Change the pre-existing data
[18:04] gsnedders: as for patches, what do we need to know about them?
[18:04] gsnedders: who submitted them, when, and whether they've been accepted?
[18:04] gsnedders: anything else?
[18:04] Whackaxe: history of the bug, wiki style, with everyjthing that has been done to the bug, assignment, resolution, dupes etc..
[18:04] Skyzyx: or rejected and/or reviewed in the first place
[18:05] gsnedders: Whackaxe: what do you mean by "wiki style"
[18:06] Whackaxe: keeping a history of changes, if the bug has been assigned to several people over it's history, then not just keep the last person who it was assigned too but the history of who it was assigne to
[18:06] Whackaxe: not exceedingly useful, but might be a good idea to build it in from the start in case
[18:07] Whackaxe: for analytics etc...
[18:07] gsnedders: which then beggers the question how do you display that data, without it being intrusive of the needed data
[18:08] Whackaxe: on the bugs main page, clicking on the appropriate section takes you to it's history page
[18:08] gsnedders: do we have the rest of the data all on the same page?
[18:09] Whackaxe: gsnedders: did you compile a feature list from your blog in the end?
[18:09] gsnedders: Whackaxe: that feature list is nowhere near final
[18:09] gsnedders: Whackaxe: things may come and go from it
[18:09] Skyzyx: I think that all important info should be together on the same page.
[18:09] Skyzyx: additional info for 'digging in' should be a link
[18:09] gsnedders: so what un-important data is there?
[18:10] gsnedders: we have the history thus far
[18:10] Skyzyx: rather 'not-as-important'
[18:10] gsnedders: also, who can change things like the assignee?
[18:10] Whackaxe: maybe we should consider whay one needs to evaluate a bug, and have that on the front page?
[18:10] Skyzyx: priority, bug author, description, assignee should all be front-bug-page stuff
[18:11] Skyzyx: Whackaxe: can you clarify?
[18:11] gsnedders: if it's unassigned, you can assignee it to yourself, or a moderator or admin can assignee it to anyone
[18:12] gsnedders: if it's assignee, you can unassign it, or a mod/admin can reassign it
[18:12] Whackaxe: Skyzyx:  no need, that's what i meant "priorit author ..."
[18:12] gsnedders: Whackaxe: ah.
[18:12] gsnedders: Whackaxe: you were unclear
[18:12] gsnedders: does that sound alright as far as assigning bugs goes?
[18:13] Skyzyx: yes
[18:13] Whackaxe: sorry bout that. on the subjects of users, it would be a good idea to keep the user mangment light. it needs order yes, but one shouldn't haveto spend more time adminitrating users than looking at bugs
[18:13] Skyzyx: I think there should also be things like assigning whether a bug is open, fixed, wontfix, notabug, etc
[18:14] gsnedders: Skyzyx: open/closed is simple. Fixed can be determined if it's closed and there is an accepted patch, won't fix similarly
[18:15] gsnedders: Skyzyx: and what is the difference between not fixing something, and something not being a bug?
[18:15] gsnedders: Skyzyx: when won't something be a bug?
[18:15] Skyzyx: if it's a feature request for example
[18:15] gsnedders: Skyzyx: if it's an expectation bug, then there is something wrong with the UI of the product
[18:15] gsnedders: Skyzyx: still, open/closed applies
[18:15] Skyzyx: which leads to the next question: who can add bugs
[18:16] gsnedders: the real question is do you let unregistered people
[18:16] gsnedders: because of course you want bugs getting submitted
[18:16] Skyzyx: gsnedders: I think that there should also be a 'not yet reviewed' option
[18:16] Whackaxe: Skyzyx: anyone should be able to add bugs anonymously, the more feedback the better. maybe keep anonymous user's submissions in a authentication backlog
[18:16] Skyzyx: gsnedders: yes.  users must register to post bugs
[18:17] gsnedders: Whackaxe: or even make anon submissions optional
[18:17] Skyzyx: but what about the potential spam issue?
[18:17] Whackaxe: limiting sumissions to aone every 10 minutes?
[18:17] gsnedders: Skyzyx: well, if a moderation queue is an option
[18:18] gsnedders: Whackaxe: I've had to submit multiple bugs in sucession
[18:18] Whackaxe: yes, but then you can register ;)
[18:18] Skyzyx: that's a possibility, and it solves both issues.
[18:18] gsnedders: Whackaxe: but why register in one case, but not another?
[18:19] gsnedders: Skyzyx: if anon closed, moderated, open are all options
[18:19] Whackaxe: anon posting would be someone thinking "shit this isn't working i'll se what the devs are aware of it" submission goes in, if unknown promoted to bug, if not it could be tallyed up on the "affected users" count of a bug
[18:20] gsnedders: affected users is starting to complicate matters with data
[18:20] Whackaxe: damn, my typing is appaling today :(
[18:20] gsnedders: look how 37signals have done so well
[18:20] gsnedders: keeping things simple, and usable.
[18:21] Whackaxe: maybe, a register on first post system would get people to register?
[18:21] gsnedders: yeah, could do something like miniBB
[18:21] gsnedders: if you aren't logged in, there is a user/pass field as part of the form
[18:21] gsnedders: if the user exists, login, otherwise, create the user
[18:22] Whackaxe: sounds like a good solution
[18:22] Skyzyx: yeah
[18:22] gsnedders: but I for one would prefer to have email verification on anything that I run
[18:22] Whackaxe: maybe we should get back to the bugs themselves
[18:23] gsnedders: Whackaxe: why? this is about creating a usable app
[18:23] Whackaxe: gsnedders: agreed, timeout on posts if author isn't verified?
[18:23] gsnedders: so what? they vanish?
[18:23] gsnedders: if the bugs vanish, that could cause issues :)
[18:24] Whackaxe: well they get cued untill the users verifies
[18:24] gsnedders: it'd be also possible to just suspend the user
[18:25] gsnedders: so they can't do anything after x time
[18:25] Whackaxe: or fuck the internet, if you've got a bug you have to mail it in! no ones going to buy a stamp to post a false bug :D
[18:26] Whackaxe: *ahem*
[18:26] gsnedders: :D
[18:26] gsnedders: I dunno.
[18:26] gsnedders: having a login/register form could start to get messy once you need more than just user/pass
[18:27] Whackaxe: you should be able to set a default profile for registering members, which they have to modify afterwards
[18:28] gsnedders: Whackaxe: I mean things like email, if it's gonna be required
[18:28] gsnedders: MenZa? SimbaCub? Skyzyx?
[18:28] MenZa: Yes sorry
[18:28] Whackaxe: well those seem to be the necessary three, name,pass,email
[18:28] SimbaCub: still here
[18:29] MenZa: Damned Gerrie homework.
[18:29] gsnedders: but I'm saying once you have more than just user/pass it gets messy, when you have it all over the place
[18:29] gsnedders: and having to deal with email verification to submit a bug gets annoying
[18:30] Whackaxe: not with Apple Mail :)
[18:30] gsnedders: Whackaxe: my point is it can seem like an unneeded step
[18:31] gsnedders: which makes me think we go back to allowing guests to submit bugs, but still have full registration
[18:32] gsnedders: which takes us back to the spam problem
[18:32] gsnedders: a moderation would be simple with a small project like SimplePie
[18:32] gsnedders: but how about something like Firefox?
[18:32] Whackaxe: yep, well suspending a user if email verification isnt supplied in X time would be a solution, but if someone wants to turn that off, then you'd have to create two registration processes, and that would be a pain
[18:32] SimbaCub: tricky, isn't it?
[18:32] MenZa: gsnedders: ...confirmation e-mails?
[18:32] SimbaCub: (states the obvious)
[18:33] gsnedders: MenZa: yeah.
[18:33] gsnedders: SimbaCub: of course :P
[18:33] MenZa: If a guest submits a bug, he has to confirm the report by clicking an activation link in an e-mail sent from the server.
[18:33] gsnedders: but what's different from doing that all at once as part of a registration?
[18:33] Skyzyx: well, I'd think that we want the bugs.
[18:34] Skyzyx: *bug reports
[18:34] gsnedders: :D
[18:34] MenZa: lol Skyzyx
[18:34] gsnedders: the question is how we keep out the spammers, though
[18:34] MenZa: gsnedders: ..image verification?
[18:34] SimbaCub: what about that visual confirmation thing? (sorry if I've missed that being suggested, have drifted in and out)
[18:34] gsnedders: MenZa: big accessibility issues.
[18:34] SimbaCub: DAMN
[18:34] Whackaxe: gsnedders: captchas?
[18:34] SimbaCub: beat me to it
[18:34] MenZa: Yeah, I suppose
[18:34] _NSA_: i think it should be embeddable within pages instead of creating everything
[18:34] gsnedders: Whackaxe: even slower
[18:35] MenZa: gsnedders: JavaScript!
[18:35] MenZa: :o
[18:35] gsnedders: MenZa: can be disabled
[18:35] MenZa: ...if the whole thing is echoed by JavaScript.
[18:35] MenZa: :P
[18:35] _NSA_: there is no way to make it 100% accessible
[18:35] gsnedders: _NSA_: what should be embeddable?
[18:35] _NSA_: the bug system
[18:35] gsnedders: _NSA_: of course, but doing some simple things can make a difference
[18:36] _NSA_: it shuold only produce the stuff within the body tags
[18:36] • MenZa pokes gsnedders and gestures towards the JavaScript
[18:36] • MenZa shrugs and goes back to his German homework
[18:36] _NSA_: there are already tons of bug ssytems that are the whole thing
[18:36] gsnedders: MenZa: as I said, can be disabled
[18:36] MenZa: ...if you disable JavaScript it doesn't echo the damn forms.
[18:36] gsnedders: _NSA_: which IMO suffer from usability flaws. badly.
[18:36] _NSA_: gsnedders: for the alst fuckinjg time there is no way to make it 100% accessible
[18:36] MenZa: Thus, you can't do anything.
[18:37] gsnedders: _NSA_: I know there isn't anyway. I'm not dumb.
[18:37] Skyzyx: _NSA_: but we can do the best we can
[18:37] gsnedders: _NSA_: and no need to start swearing at me.
[18:37] Skyzyx: I don't think we have to rule JS out completely though
[18:37] • MenZa utters a variety of swearwords at gsnedders
[18:37] gsnedders: Skyzyx: how do you suggest we use it?
[18:38] MenZa: Skyzyx: I'm listening :o
[18:38] • MenZa likes JS
[18:38] Skyzyx: well, for behavioral *enhancements*
[18:38] Skyzyx: also, yes, it *can* be disabled, but how many people really do?
[18:38] gsnedders: Skyzyx: and what does that have to do with spam? :P
[18:38] Skyzyx: and does the value of stopping automatic spammers outweigh the few who intentionally disable javascript
[18:38] Skyzyx: ?
[18:39] MenZa: Hear, hear.
[18:39] gsnedders: how does Javascript help us when it'd done at the client side anyway?
[18:39] SimbaCub: how about allowing bug reports to be sent via eMail for guests but with generic addresses eg. @hotmail.com filtered out?
[18:39] MenZa: that's stupid
[18:39] gsnedders: there are spammers who use spam  bots ontop of browsers
[18:39] gsnedders: SimbaCub: flawed.
[18:39] MenZa: Lots of decent people use hotmail
[18:39] gsnedders: SimbaCub: too many people use those sort of services
[18:40] Skyzyx: MenZa: agreed
[18:40] SimbaCub: yeah, guess so
[18:40] Whackaxe: SimbaCub: thats a uphill battle we won't win
[18:40] MenZa: and, anyway, they could just use @wtfemail.com, if they wanted to
[18:40] MenZa: :P
[18:40] gsnedders: :P
[18:40] gsnedders: "From" is a header, and therefore cannot be trusted
[18:41] Whackaxe: they could even spoof a mods email! :o
[18:41] gsnedders: an option would be to implement something like Akismet
[18:42] gsnedders: which means it's up to the person who runs the individual install to get an API key
[18:42] MenZa: gsnedders: ...Key Spam?
[18:42] MenZa:
[18:43] MenZa: Along with BB maybe
[18:43] Skyzyx: I just want to restate the obvious: we want it to be as easy as possible for bug reporters to report bugs.  period.  all of this user management craziness needs to be hidden from the end-user
[18:43] MenZa: You could always ask io_error
[18:43] gsnedders: MenZa: another option, but can be cracked over time
[18:43] gsnedders: Skyzyx: exactly.
[18:43] Whackaxe: Skyzyx: second that
[18:43] MenZa: crasiness*
[18:43] gsnedders: MenZa: I HATE how BB works
[18:43] • MenZa ducks
[18:43] MenZa: gsnedders: blocks the spambots completely?
[18:43] Skyzyx: I'm wondering if we're overthinking this
[18:44] MenZa: :P
[18:44] gsnedders: MenZa: it works by UAs. it did until quite recently block SimplePie, a completely valid UA
[18:44] gsnedders: Skyzyx: massively :)
[18:44] MenZa: gsnedders: :o
[18:45] gsnedders: alright, let's just zoom out.
[18:45] gsnedders: how do blogs protect themselves from comment spam?
[18:45] Skyzyx: WP = Askimet, MT = Something else
[18:45] Skyzyx: manually deleting
[18:45] gsnedders: MT can also use Askimet
[18:46] Skyzyx: bioneural.net has a basic, text-only, human intelligence system
[18:46] Skyzyx: like a captcha, but not an image
[18:46] gsnedders: like WP-Gatekeeper?
[18:46] Whackaxe: Amazon Mechanical Turk may be of use :P
[18:46] _NSA_: what is one plus one
[18:46] Skyzyx: gsnedders: I don't know what that is
[18:47] Skyzyx: _NSA_: exactly
[18:47] gsnedders: Skyzyx: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/wordpress/wp-gatekeeper.html
[18:47] Skyzyx: or "Add one to two"
[18:47] _NSA_: except that wil not work
[18:47] gsnedders: _NSA_: why not?
[18:47] _NSA_: because there would have to be a list somewhere and answer list
[18:47] _NSA_: and the spambots would just check against it
[18:47] gsnedders: _NSA_: randomly generate numbers?
[18:47] _NSA_: that would not work
[18:47] Skyzyx: not if we're pulling it from above the document root
[18:48] gsnedders: or DB
[18:48] Skyzyx: db would be better
[18:48] _NSA_: Skyzyx: yes but the lsit would be the same
[18:48] _NSA_: so they just download the buglist
[18:48] Skyzyx: but nobody could get to it, is what I'm saying.  they CANT download it
[18:48] _NSA_: random numbers would not work either
[18:48] Whackaxe: the whole math thing is moot. i tried that once and realised how easy it would be for a spammer to pick it up
[18:49] _NSA_: Skyzyx: so then how are you going to distribute your php ap?
[18:49] gsnedders: Whackaxe: maths, please.
[18:49] Skyzyx: gsnedders: "Math"
[18:49] gsnedders: Whackaxe is English :)
[18:49] _NSA_: i am telling you, text based captchas do not work
[18:49] Skyzyx: alright.
[18:49] gsnedders: _NSA_: combined with other things which are less visible, they can.
[18:49] Whackaxe: gsnedders: meh you get the idea ;)
[18:49] _NSA_: it could be possible to make them work, but it would be more complicated than the image ones
[18:50] Skyzyx: _NSA_: but more accessible once we got it working
[18:51] gsnedders: what other options are there?
[18:54] gsnedders: Askimet is a possibility
[18:54] gsnedders: that completely is hidden from the user
[18:54] Skyzyx: how hard is it to integrate askimet?
[18:57] gsnedders: Skyzyx: not that hard
[18:57] Skyzyx: k, well using Askimet on sp.org, we get very few spams
[18:57] Skyzyx: if we can integrate it, then I'd vote for that as the spam solution
[18:57] MenZa: AKISMET FFS
[18:58] MenZa: but yes, it's quite nice
[18:58] MenZa: :D
[18:58] Skyzyx: guests can post anonymously
[18:59] Skyzyx: registered users can keep track of their bugs
[18:59] Skyzyx: and other account-type things
[18:59] MenZa: Subscribe to bugs?
[18:59] Skyzyx: gsnedders: have a nice nap?
[18:59] gsnedders: Skyzyx: peh.
[18:59] gsnedders: MenZa: Atom feeds?
[18:59] MenZa: RSS kplzthx.
[18:59] Skyzyx: yes, per-bug feeds would be wonderful
[19:00] MenZa: I was just typing that out, too.
[19:00] gsnedders: Skyzyx: both.
[19:00] MenZa: Feeds for everything.
[19:00] MenZa: EVERYTHING.
[19:00] Skyzyx: yes
[19:00] gsnedders: MenZa: both.
[19:00] gsnedders: :)
[19:00] MenZa: New bugs, new bugs in a certain category, for comments in a certain category, for updates to a bug, for single bug comments
[19:00] MenZa: Literally hundreds of feeds.
[19:00] MenZa: And an open API
[19:00] MenZa: :o
[19:01] MenZa: e.g. let people get number of bugs and post them on another website.
[19:01] MenZa: But let's not rush ourselves
[19:01] Skyzyx: yes, that's valuable (like we currently do on simplepie.org/development)
[19:01] gsnedders: moving on, what do we do interface wise for the homepage?
[19:01] gsnedders: I don't want to have a list of bugs
[19:01] gsnedders: that can get confusing for users.
[19:02] Skyzyx: agreed
[19:02] MenZa: Homepage..
[19:02] MenZa: Latest bug displayed.
[19:02] MenZa: That is, an excerpt
[19:02] Skyzyx: MenZa: how helpful is that?
[19:02] MenZa: Skyzyx: good question.
[19:03] • MenZa shrugs
[19:03] MenZa: I best do this homework
[19:04] Skyzyx: oh... category for bugs.
[19:04] Whackaxe: Most "popular" bugs (prevents duplicates a bit)
[19:05] Skyzyx: also, we should add voting for bugs
[19:05] Skyzyx: to help the developers determine importance to the end-users
[19:05] Skyzyx: most popular == highest voted
[19:06] Whackaxe: Skyzyx: thats what i meant by "affected users count" earlier
[19:06] Skyzyx: yeah
[19:06] Skyzyx: well, perfect then
[19:06] MenZa: ability to add cases to a bug?
[19:06] MenZa: Instead of creating a duplicate, you can simply add another small report to an existing bug.
[19:07] Skyzyx: like additional comments?  heck yes
[19:07] MenZa: Not comments, a small system specifically designed for adding them.
[19:07] Whackaxe: MenZa: that might lead to "fix plz!!!! i need this to dl mu pr0n!!! omg!!"
[19:07] MenZa: Comments are for discussion, if you ask me.
[19:08] Skyzyx: Whackaxe: that would be up to the moderators to... uh... moderate. ;)
[19:08] MenZa: lol
[19:08] MenZa: And yeah, what Skyzyx said.
[19:10] gsnedders: but still, and sort of bug list is confusing
[19:11] gsnedders: http://www.fsa.usda.gov/haynet/ - that was a example of navigation used at WE05
[19:11] gsnedders: two very simple options
[19:11] gsnedders: you either have hay, or you need hay.
[19:12] gsnedders: so, how about something along the lines of "submit bug" and "view bugs"
[19:12] Skyzyx: that's stupidly brilliant
[19:12] gsnedders: it's a fun context, but it's a brilliant concept.
[19:12] gsnedders: you know your users.
[19:12] gsnedders: they want to do X or Y
[19:12] Whackaxe: "got bug?"
[19:12] gsnedders: :D
[19:12] gsnedders: "Have bug."
[19:13] gsnedders: it's just stupidly simple navigation.
[19:15] gsnedders: so what do people think about having something like that? SimbaCub, seeming you're our "user", as uposed to "developer"?
[19:15] SimbaCub: hang on, 5 mins...
[19:16] SimbaCub: dog redecorating house with MUD
[19:16] gsnedders: :D
[19:16] Whackaxe: yeah he's got bug :P
[19:16] gsnedders: (and our regular psychologist) :P
[19:17] • gsnedders sighs
[19:17] gsnedders: I was hoping it'd be a short meetup :P
[19:18] Whackaxe: Spam ruined that hope :P
[19:18] Skyzyx: :)
[19:18] gsnedders: :P
[19:18] gsnedders: it was long already
[19:20] gsnedders: so, to summarise, have two simple links on the home page:
[19:20] gsnedders: Submit Bug
[19:20] gsnedders: View Bug
[19:20] Skyzyx: and lots of AJAX
[19:20] Skyzyx: :o
[19:20] Skyzyx: j/k
[19:21] • gsnedders grabs a trout
[19:21] • Skyzyx puts up his trout sheild
[19:21] Whackaxe: yeah, lets cll it "Buggr" whilst we're at it
[19:21] gsnedders: Skyzyx: no, you get a bigger trout!
[19:21] gsnedders: Whackaxe: LOL
[19:22] gsnedders: crazy, funny, but brilliant idea for a name
[19:22] Skyzyx: gentlemen, I need to drop out of this discussion.  My daughter is sick at school, and I need to go pick her up.
[19:22] gsnedders: Skyzyx: :(
[19:22] Skyzyx: gsnedders: follow up with me later
[19:22] gsnedders: Skyzyx: any idea with what?
[19:22] Skyzyx: no... just normal preschool sickness stuff
[19:22] gsnedders: Skyzyx: wish her well from a stranger she's never heard of :)
[19:22] Whackaxe: Skyzyx: ah, she got bug too :(
[19:22] gsnedders: Whackaxe: LMAO
[19:22] • Skyzyx smacks Whackaxe. :)
[19:23] Skyzyx: later guys
[19:23] gsnedders: Skyzyx: bye
[19:23] Whackaxe: later
[19:23] gsnedders: so, does that mean Skyzyx will get bug?
[19:24] Whackaxe: nah, Skyzyx is a more mature product, after many bugs and patches he is resistant de such metabolism errors :P
[19:25] gsnedders: ah :)
[19:25] gsnedders: SimbaCub: 'urry up doin' whatever you're doing with that dog!
[19:32] SimbaCub: right
[19:32] SimbaCub: thought
[19:32] SimbaCub: submit bug
[19:32] SimbaCub: view bugs
[19:32] SimbaCub: sage
[19:32] SimbaCub: and bump
[19:32] gsnedders: huh?
[19:33] SimbaCub: sage is a way of adding comments without bumping the thread
[19:33] SimbaCub: bump is the opposite
[19:33] SimbaCub: both could help, although one or the other would be better than both togetyher, obviously
[19:34] SimbaCub: perhaps only award sage privileges to regisered users?
[19:34] • gsnedders thinks SimbaCub isn't thinkabout what we were
[19:34] SimbaCub: so?
[19:34] SimbaCub: ah well
[19:34] gsnedders: the home page of the whole bug tracking app.
[19:34] gsnedders: it has two links on it:
[19:34] gsnedders: Submit Bug
[19:34] gsnedders: View Bugs
[19:34] gsnedders: opinions?
[19:35] SimbaCub: sounds good - perhaps display the five most prominent bugs?
[19:35] gsnedders: so you think that'd be a good idea, from a usability point of view?
[19:36] SimbaCub: yeah, but over-simplify and you run the risk of making people think that you're lacking in sophistication
[19:37] gsnedders: how much data should we have about the bug?
[19:37] SimbaCub: initial filing, number of bumps
[19:37] SimbaCub: hmm
[19:37] SimbaCub: comments with bumps
[19:38] SimbaCub: but then you get the spam thing
[19:38] SimbaCub: so maybe
[19:38] gsnedders: don't worry 'bout spam.
[19:38] gsnedders: I mean, how much data about the bugs on the homepage?
[19:38] SimbaCub: unregistered bump, registered bump + comment?
[19:38] SimbaCub: ah
[19:38] SimbaCub: basic info
[19:39] SimbaCub: comments limited to x characters, number of bumps, name-tag I guess
[19:40] gsnedders: I'm not really sure about the bump theory :)
[19:40] SimbaCub: digg perhaps? as in number of times recommended, sorting out priority
[19:41] gsnedders: which is similar to what Whackaxe was saying earlier
[19:41] SimbaCub: yeah, just re-reading it now
[19:42] MenZa: oh hello ringmaster
[19:42] ringmaster: Oh, hi, MenZa.
[19:42] gsnedders: SimbaCub: bit behind, eh?
[19:42] gsnedders: :)
[19:42] ringmaster: So...  What's an Fbug?
[19:43] MenZa: lol
[19:43] MenZa: Bugtracking software, ringmaster
[19:43] MenZa: "Fucking bugs"
[19:43] MenZa: :P
[19:43] SimbaCub: I liked the idea of voting in order to prioritise
[19:43] • ringmaster notes a link on gsnedders' page that didn't appear in teh feed reader...
[19:44] gsnedders: ringmaster: bad feed reader :)
[19:44] ringmaster: Yeah, what's that all about? ;) 
[19:44] gsnedders: anyone else got any comments about the homepage?
[19:45] ringmaster: FBug needs to have a way for people who are not developers or contributors to submit issues without going through a crazy login process.
[19:45] gsnedders: ringmaster: yeah, we've gone through that :) 
[19:45] gsnedders: MenZa: any comment about the homepage?
[19:45] ringmaster: Oh.  Well, you know, smack me around for arriving late or whatever.
[19:46] MenZa: gsnedders: what I extracted sounded good
[19:46] gsnedders: ringmaster: we've been going for 1:45 hours :P
[19:46] gsnedders: well, then </meetup>